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=Normal Mode=
=Normal Mode=


Since the bosses for Normal Mode are comparatively easy (especially kabula), runners are typically less wary of their health and can go for more aggressive strategies, such as damage boosting past the [https://wikirby.com/wiki/Gordo Gordos] in the [https://wikirby.com/wiki/Whispy_Woods Whispy] and [https://wikirby.com/wiki/kracko Kracko] rooms, which save a second each.  
Since the bosses for Normal Mode are comparatively easy (especially [https://wikirby.com/wiki/kabula Kabula]), runners are typically less wary of their health and can go for more aggressive strategies, such as damage boosting past the [https://wikirby.com/wiki/Gordo Gordos] in the [https://wikirby.com/wiki/Whispy_Woods Whispy] and [https://wikirby.com/wiki/kracko Kracko] rooms, which save a second each.  


https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106766444508749845/1126739727064768522/KDL_Whispy_Gordo_Damage_Boost.gif https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106766444508749845/1126742827779493948/KDL_Kracko_Gordo_Damage_Boost.gif
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="2" | Gordo damage boost GIFs  
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| https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106766444508749845/1126970940060876910/KDL_Whispy_Gordo_Damage_Boost.gif || https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106766444508749845/1126970178136182844/KDL_Kracko_Gordo_Damage_Boost.gif
|}


Runners can also go for double hits in the [https://wikirby.com/wiki/Lololo_%26_Lalala Lololo & Lalala] fight it they get favorable patterns. Before fighting [https://wikirby.com/wiki/King_Dedede Dedede], runners should check their remaining health and can choose to take a quick intentional death if they are low (especially if they are planning on doing double hits on [https://wikirby.com/wiki/King_Dedede Dedede], as doing them damageless - while possible - requires much more precise spacing).


Runners can also go for double hits in the [https://wikirby.com/wiki/Lololo_%26_Lalala Lololo & Lalala] fight it they get favorable patterns. Before fighting [https://wikirby.com/wiki/King_Dedede Dedede,] runners should check their remaining health and can choose to take a quick intentional death if they are low (especially if they are planning on doing double hits on [https://wikirby.com/wiki/King_Dedede Dedede,] as doing them damageless - while possible - requires much more precise spacing).


{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="1" | Damageless Dedede double hit GIF  
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| https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106766444508749845/1127310216418037850/Doublehit.gif
|}


the ways to do the gordo skip danageless is  thought to be   tas only as it's basically a frame perfect trick  until around 2022, with some clever thought of visual cue ,a danageless gordo skip is RTA-viable for all 4 rooms now.They are the most difficult strats in the run though and it's mostly NOT RECOMMENDED unless the runner didn't have any other improvement left in his pb.   (SHOWING ALL 4 GORDO SKIP GIF then)
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Doing the [https://wikirby.com/wiki/Gordo Gordo] skips damageless was thought to be TAS-only until around 2022, but since then RTA-viable setups have been found for all 4 rooms. They are some of the most difficult strats in the run though, and are not recommended unless a runner doesn't have any other timesaves left to implement. For more information on [https://wikirby.com/wiki/Gordo Gordo] skips and [https://wikirby.com/wiki/King_Dedede Dedede] double hits, see the [[KDL:Tech|Movement & Tech]] page.
 
{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed wikitable"
! colspan="4" | Gordo skip GIFs &nbsp;
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| https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106766444508749845/1126981871604084807/KDL_LoLa_Gordo_Skip.gif || https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106766444508749845/1126981674408869938/KDL_Kracko_Gordo_Skip.gif || https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106766444508749845/1126981421127442552/KDL_Kabula_Gordo_Skip.gif || https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1106766444508749845/1126982147773825175/KDL_Whispy_Gordo_Skip.gif
|}


=Extra Mode=
=Extra Mode=


The bosses in extra mode is so much more unforgiving and therefore,runners mostly don't tend to go for any gordo skips(While whispy skip can be done with the same way as normal mode,  kracko can't  and took until 2022 to discover an RTA-viable setup for it )  (SHOW GIF of kracko gordo skip(EX MODE))  similarly, runner could do a quick intentional death in dedede fight if they are low on health (most runner would be due to kabula fight could drain most of the health )  plus dedede fights in extra mode attacks and moves way faster ,fighting it with low health would be very brutal in general. But there's an unique aspect for dedede as they can go off screen while they are rushing to the edge of it, some inspect shows that they are more likely to do the jump attack(only attack to give double star) in this situation ( but not 100% sure(?)) so some runners found lure dedede to be off screen helpful for getting a quicker fight. (may be a GIF for that?)
The bosses in Extra Mode are much more unforgiving and therefore most runners tend not to go for any [https://wikirby.com/wiki/Gordo Gordo] damage boosts, although all [https://wikirby.com/wiki/Gordo Gordo] skips can be performed in the same or a similar manner to Normal Mode. Taking an intentional death in the [https://wikirby.com/wiki/King_Dedede Dedede] fight is a much more common practice in Extra Mode due to the aggressive bosses, including [https://wikirby.com/wiki/King_Dedede Dedede] himself moving and attacking faster. There is some evidence that Dedede is more likely to give a jump attack when offscreen, so some runners try to bait him into jumping over their head so that he jumps twice in a row.


=All Items=
=All Items=
At first sight it seems to have no "items" in this stage but in the current ruleset,  those impostor kirby is required to be collect for "all items" run  so gordo skip would not be allowed in this category.
It might seem that there are no items in this stage, but in the current rule-set each impostor Kirby is required to be collected in this category, so [https://wikirby.com/wiki/Gordo Gordo] skips are not allowed.

Latest revision as of 19:17, 8 July 2023

The last stage of the game that features a boss rush section with 4 doors that each have a picture of a previous boss. Entering a door leads to a short version of that boss' stage, ending with a door blocked by a special Gordo which will defeat Kirby in one hit. The Gordos can be destroyed by touching the impostor Kirby, but it's also possible to get into the doors while the Gordo is still there. Players can finish the bosses in any order they wish - although it's optimal to finish the Lololo & Lalala room first due to it being the closest room to Kirby's initial spawn point - before facing King Dedede for the final battle. Dedede has 4 attacks but only 2 of them (jumping and hammering) give out stars, further adding to the randomness of this already RNG-heavy run.


Castle dedede
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Castle Dedede

Normal Mode

Since the bosses for Normal Mode are comparatively easy (especially Kabula), runners are typically less wary of their health and can go for more aggressive strategies, such as damage boosting past the Gordos in the Whispy and Kracko rooms, which save a second each.

Gordo damage boost GIFs  
KDL_Whispy_Gordo_Damage_Boost.gif KDL_Kracko_Gordo_Damage_Boost.gif


Runners can also go for double hits in the Lololo & Lalala fight it they get favorable patterns. Before fighting Dedede, runners should check their remaining health and can choose to take a quick intentional death if they are low (especially if they are planning on doing double hits on Dedede, as doing them damageless - while possible - requires much more precise spacing).

Damageless Dedede double hit GIF  
Doublehit.gif


Doing the Gordo skips damageless was thought to be TAS-only until around 2022, but since then RTA-viable setups have been found for all 4 rooms. They are some of the most difficult strats in the run though, and are not recommended unless a runner doesn't have any other timesaves left to implement. For more information on Gordo skips and Dedede double hits, see the Movement & Tech page.

Gordo skip GIFs  
KDL_LoLa_Gordo_Skip.gif KDL_Kracko_Gordo_Skip.gif KDL_Kabula_Gordo_Skip.gif KDL_Whispy_Gordo_Skip.gif

Extra Mode

The bosses in Extra Mode are much more unforgiving and therefore most runners tend not to go for any Gordo damage boosts, although all Gordo skips can be performed in the same or a similar manner to Normal Mode. Taking an intentional death in the Dedede fight is a much more common practice in Extra Mode due to the aggressive bosses, including Dedede himself moving and attacking faster. There is some evidence that Dedede is more likely to give a jump attack when offscreen, so some runners try to bait him into jumping over their head so that he jumps twice in a row.

All Items

It might seem that there are no items in this stage, but in the current rule-set each impostor Kirby is required to be collected in this category, so Gordo skips are not allowed.

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